Eduroam and setting identity privacy in Windows

[Jim Potter]

Ok, certificates is an avenue I hadn't considered... I wasn't aware that
this was an option with eduroam (I'd just assumed we had to use PEAP). Have
you set something like this with eduroam in the past, or do you know if any
other universities have had this working?

So by setting the realm in the certificates, will the eduroam radius
servers forward the request correctly? I think I need to read up on this.

thanks for the lead!

Jim

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 14:23, Alan Buxey <alan.buxey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will, as you've said, it will work locally, you can ensure that with your
> own policies. It's just that it won't work at other remote eduroam sites
> (much like when users are allowed locally to login with just username
> without realm 'for convenience')
>
> Using certificates , that have correct realm info, is the only way to avoid
> users needing to know right format of username and password etc. That can
> be done by group policy or via user self driven certificate onboarding
> process
>
> alan
>
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, 09:05 Jim Potter <j.potter at bathspa.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > Thanks for the advice on this. Yes, I think the real problem here is the
> > eduroam username format (uid at domain.com) not being compatible with the
> one
> > that windows generates (WINSDOMAIN\uid). I figure that even though this
> > isn't directly freeradius related, this forum is probably still the best
> > place to ask PEAP related questions.
> >
> > I think part of our problem here is we're trying to use eduroam for
> > something it wasn't designed for. If it doesn't fit, hopefully I can
> > convince networks to set up something else suitable instead. One thing I
> > have noted in the eduroam T's and C's - connections must be traceable,
> > generally this is interpretted as user authentication, though machine
> > authentication is also acceptable as long as we record logins.
> >
> > I'll let you know how I get on with all this.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Matthew Newton <mcn at freeradius.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2019-02-08 at 16:36 +0000, Jim Potter wrote:
> > > > What I would like to achieve is authentication to happen
> > > > invisibly where possible - our laptops would perform machine
> > > > authentication, users would log in and would re-authenticate to
> > > > wireless invisibly (currently each user needs to set up the wireless
> > > > connection on each device the use - this is really bad from a user
> > > > experience point of view, especially for students using laptops from
> > > > a bank). Has anyone else had any success doing anything like this?
> > >
> > > So you probably need to set up EAP-TLS to authenticate using a
> > > certificate, rather than logging in with a username/password.
> > >
> > > Convenient if they're domain-joined, as the certificate handling is all
> > > done for you.
> > >
> > > > Computer authentication comes in the form
> > > > host/mypc.bathspa.ac.uk and users in the format DOMAIN\myusername,
> > > > not myusername at bathspa.ac.uk as required by eduroam.
> > >
> > > You need to push group policy onto the Windows laptops to force them to
> > > do this. It's certainly possible from what I remember, but you're
> > > right, there's nothing you can do on FreeRADIUS to force this, it's a
> > > Windows issue.
> > >
> > > > I've updated the policy files on FreeRadius to authenticate the above
> > > > formats successfully, but if staff are to be able to use their
> > > > devices on remote eduroam sites, they need either their username ( at
> > > > least their anonymous ID/identity privacy name) to be sent in the
> > > > format someone at bathspa.ac.uk
> > >
> > > Exactly. Otherwise eduroam has nothing to go on when proxying the
> > > authentication.
> > >
> > > Also remember eduroam rules being you need to know who everyone is.
> > > That generally means that you either use usernames and passwords (and
> > > not a username per machine), or you use certificates and assign the
> > > laptop for one person to use only. It pretty much rules out shared
> > > laptops (unless they are used only on your own network, in which case
> > > of course domain based login is fine as it will also stop them from
> > > roaming.)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthew
> > >
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> >
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