Ok, I have read them all - the wiki's the unrelated novell howtos for edirectory bought a Oriellys book on ldap (their FR + LDAP howto is incorrect apparently) and googled countless times. The articles on http://wiki.freeradius.org/LDAP arent much help they just re-itterate whats in the config files and rlm_ldap doesnt seem to mention setting the users file. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/archived/LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO/radius.html The above article instructs you to set Auth-Type =: LDAP which is wrong I have been told by alan (but what is correct then ?). I am about to start from fresh again just to make sure its not config setting I have changed and forgot to fix. But I would appreciate any good howtos others may have found and of course any answers / information you guys can provide. Thanks again.